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Forgotten But Not Gone
Episode Details

Written by: David Lloyd

Directed by: Pamela Fryman

Original US airdate: 17th April 2001

Original UK airdate: 4th May 2001

Cast Information
Main Cast
Frasier Crane .... Kelsey Grammer
Niles Crane .... David Hyde Pierce
Martin Crane .... John Mahoney
Daphne Moon .... Jane Leeves
Roz Doyle .... Peri Gilpin
Recurring Cast
Kenny Daly .... Tom McGowan
Gil Chesterton .... Edward Hibbert
Guest Cast
Frederika .... Jennifer Coolidge
Endicott .... Charles Cioffi
Lance .... David Norona
Reynolds .... Jonathan McMurtry
Virgil Hepplewhite .... Richard Stretchberry
Guest Callers

Episode Synopsis

At the inauguration of Niles as the Wine Club's Corkmaster (for a second year), Frasier arrives with his own news. He is resigning from the wine club to host a 15 minute wine appreciation slot on KACL. He invites all the members to call in and provoke some of the fascinating discussions they have live on the radio. Gil Chesterton, whose show is losing 15 minutes for Frasier's slot, is none too happy about it, and Frasier himself is none too happy that his first show is such a disappointment. None of the wine club members call in, and those that do seem to lack the intellectual qualities Frasier seeks for a wine appreciation show. However, Frasier's diappointment turns to anger when one of the wine club members tells him that Niles has banned them from calling into his show, provoking Frasier into going down to the club to try and convince Niles to change his mind - but Niles is having none of it. Forced to spend Wednesday nights at home with Martion, his father sees his son's depression and drags Frasier down to the wine club to force his two sons to 'play nicely'......Meanwhile, Martin grapples with his new German physiotherapist who cooks fabulously but seems to be an ex-army drill sergeant.

Episode Title Cards
  • Oenology For Dummies

  • Whine Club

Episode Highlights

- Niles praises his brother when giving his corkmaster re-election speech:
Niles: .... the other Brother Crane, who so graciously conceded after the fourth recount.

- Kenny congratulates Frasier on his new slot:
Kenny: If you can't solve their problems with therapy, solve them with drink.
Frasier: Let's keep that out of the ads.
Kenny: Too late!

- Gil's slot about healthy food is axed to make way for Frasier's wine-appreciation slot:
Gil: Apparently health is going to take a backseat to the random musings of a radio psychiatrist on wine !!

- Gil 'congratulates' Frasier on his disasterous first show:
Gil: I'm sure everyone who was listening is hitting the bottle as we speak!

- Frasier has to spend his first Wednesday night at home after leaving the wine club:
Frasier: What do you usually do Wednesday nights?
Martin: Oh, just sit back .... enjoy the silence.

- Martin goes to see Niles to try and get Frasier back in the Wine Club:
Martin: Good God! You wear a sash!!

Frasier Online Episode Review

The Crane brother's inherent rivalry gets another airing in an episode similar to last season's 'Whine Club' ( so much so, in fact, that one one of the on screen subtitles is actually 'Whine Club'). However, as in that episode, the bunch of eccentrics that make up the club feel stereotyped and one-dimensional, while the conclusion where Martin forces Frasier and Niles to make up is not exactly new. I also found Martin's 'German' (yeah, right) physiotherapist to be an awful creation - a comedy cliche that just doesn't work in this episode. The episode is however lifted by the reappearance of Gil Chesterton, who isn't happy about having some of his show stolen by Frasier, and his interplay with his new producer: a camp creation by the name of Lance. Their scenes together made me laugh more than the rest of the episode. All told, then, this is another run-of-the-mill Season 8 episode, which is all the more disappointing given that it came from David Lloyd, the creator of such fantastic episodes like 'Ham Radio', and that it's the last episode he ever wrote for the show.


71 %

Latest Viewer Episode Review

Avg. Viewer Review: 66.2%
Total Number of Reviews: 4

Whine Club 2: Electric Boogaloo, May 18, 2013

Reviewer: Sammy J from Melbourne, Australia

"Forgotten but Not Gone" falls into the category of average season 8 episodes, of which there are a fair number. It seems odd to be back at the wine club just one year later given that there wasn't any sense of a recurring story from last year (ala "Cheers'" Bar Wars). I can only suspect that the series felt like it hadn't done much with the concept last year, when they squeezed it into a Mel-centric episode. There's some cute stuff here with Frasier unable to give Niles his due, and the way that the brothers talk themselves out of the wine club is, if nothing new, at least quite clever.

It's nice to see Gil back in action, and at his most smug. The always reliable and always cute David Norona fills in as his producer, and it's great to see Roz in her trademark KACL sassy state, given we haven't seen much of the station this year outside of "Docu.Drama". As David Lloyd's last script, this is certainly lacking much of the vigour that filled his greats, which is a shame since the concept is reliably true to the characters. It just feels as if the series is spinning its wheels and the episode really doesn't know how to squeeze any life from the concept.

I may be the only person who enjoys Jennifer Coolidge's cameo as Martin's German physical therapist. She's a ridiculous character who feels a little overdone for this series, but I still find myself giggling at her attitude and deliberately whacked-out accent. The only strange thing, again, is that this feels like it should've been a recurring arc. Perhaps the Daphne-free episodes would've been stronger if something more was made of them. Why is Martin only getting a physical therapist one episode before Daphne returns? Why is this storyline of an interloper in Frasier's home given all of three short scenes? Nothing makes sense.

Ultimately, a confused script that has some genuine laughs but also raises more questions than answers.

Rating: 68%


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