me123 wrote:The only time it feels dated, I think, is the old haircuts and when they introduced technology. Daphne's S6 brick of a laptop in one episode was pretty old looking.
Moon-Crane wrote:And the televisions in the houses too. That one that Frasier buys in the Gift Horse I'm surprised there was no uprade to LCD/Plasma at all. Plenty of shows still seem to use CRT though, to convey an image.
Moon-Crane wrote:Oh certainly they were. but when you think of some of the amounts he shelled out on various items, Ten or twenty thousand dollars for a tv wouldn't have been much to him. Frasier wasn't one lacking extravagance in the spending stakes
me123 wrote:Moon-Crane wrote:Oh certainly they were. but when you think of some of the amounts he shelled out on various items, Ten or twenty thousand dollars for a tv wouldn't have been much to him. Frasier wasn't one lacking extravagance in the spending stakes
Yeah, but he didn't spend much time with television I would imagine.
CatNamedRudy wrote:me123 wrote:Moon-Crane wrote:Oh certainly they were. but when you think of some of the amounts he shelled out on various items, Ten or twenty thousand dollars for a tv wouldn't have been much to him. Frasier wasn't one lacking extravagance in the spending stakes
Yeah, but he didn't spend much time with television I would imagine.
That was what I was thinking. He would spend that much on furniture or maybe even on a nice stereo system but TV wasn't all that important to him. It was Martin who watched the most television. Frasier was more about wine and music and furniture!
JT wrote:Is Frasier fading into the past as have "Leave it to Beaver", "I Love Lucy" etc. have? Is it appearing more and more dated? "Cheers" is an 80's thing and it seems already anachronistic to a degree. Or is it, as Kelsey Grammer said, timeless by design.
Moon-Crane wrote:CatNamedRudy wrote:me123 wrote:Moon-Crane wrote:Oh certainly they were. but when you think of some of the amounts he shelled out on various items, Ten or twenty thousand dollars for a tv wouldn't have been much to him. Frasier wasn't one lacking extravagance in the spending stakes
Yeah, but he didn't spend much time with television I would imagine.
That was what I was thinking. He would spend that much on furniture or maybe even on a nice stereo system but TV wasn't all that important to him. It was Martin who watched the most television. Frasier was more about wine and music and furniture!
But still it's all about perception to his visitors. And it would have taken a less conspicuous position in the design of his room. Anyway, he was a closet popular drama fan
CatNamedRudy wrote:Moon-Crane wrote:CatNamedRudy wrote:me123 wrote:Moon-Crane wrote:Oh certainly they were. but when you think of some of the amounts he shelled out on various items, Ten or twenty thousand dollars for a tv wouldn't have been much to him. Frasier wasn't one lacking extravagance in the spending stakes
Yeah, but he didn't spend much time with television I would imagine.
That was what I was thinking. He would spend that much on furniture or maybe even on a nice stereo system but TV wasn't all that important to him. It was Martin who watched the most television. Frasier was more about wine and music and furniture!
But still it's all about perception to his visitors. And it would have taken a less conspicuous position in the design of his room. Anyway, he was a closet popular drama fan
The "mini series!"
As for the TV in The Gift Horse, when that episode aired, those humungoid TV's were all the rage and worth a 3-4 thousand dollars. That's what Martin wanted and that's what Martin got! Although it disappeared in the next episode! Maybe IT ended up in Martin's room!
me123 wrote:Didn't he get rid of it in the cut-scene at the end? Because Niles claimed the horse was from both of them, and insisted Frasier remove it before Marty saw it:
"I do visit from time to time!"
ryme-intrinseca wrote:Some of the references in Frasier are a bit more obscure, so perhaps they won't stand up as well?
CatNamedRudy wrote:Timeless.
There are very few time referenced jokes in the show.
There are some of course. I was watching an S10 episode last night (I think it was Analyzed Kiss). It's the one where Niles and Daphne are trying filling out the application for pre-school and they are trying to come up with a name.
One of the names they come up with is Bob which they have picked out of the phone book. Niles writes down "Bob Crane" and then immediately erases it after realizes what name he just wrote down. My first thought was "How many people actually get that joke now?" I'm thinking that people that aren't much younger than me would not have any clue who Bob Crane is. I thought it was funny but a lot of people wouldn't get it!
Certain guest stars like Dr. Phil and Bill Gates might be time capsul type guys but for the most part, I think it's timeless. I feel the same way about Cheers though. Aside from some of the decor and some of the obvious technological differences, Cheers in the 80's is just like any corner bar (or pub as it were) of the 00's!
Zedul wrote:CatNamedRudy wrote:Timeless.
There are very few time referenced jokes in the show.
There are some of course. I was watching an S10 episode last night (I think it was Analyzed Kiss). It's the one where Niles and Daphne are trying filling out the application for pre-school and they are trying to come up with a name.
One of the names they come up with is Bob which they have picked out of the phone book. Niles writes down "Bob Crane" and then immediately erases it after realizes what name he just wrote down. My first thought was "How many people actually get that joke now?" I'm thinking that people that aren't much younger than me would not have any clue who Bob Crane is. I thought it was funny but a lot of people wouldn't get it!
Certain guest stars like Dr. Phil and Bill Gates might be time capsul type guys but for the most part, I think it's timeless. I feel the same way about Cheers though. Aside from some of the decor and some of the obvious technological differences, Cheers in the 80's is just like any corner bar (or pub as it were) of the 00's!
Interesting, I think the Bob Crane joke actually went over 75% of the audience heads when that episode first aired... I didn't get it until the 3rd time I watched it, and that was only because I had watched some biography channel special on the Hogan's Hero's star.
That's the one thing that Frasier has never backed away from, making obscure references to bits of art/culture/history. Be it wine, sculpture, theatre, cinema, tv, et. there are many jokes that I never even picked up on at the time, but they were still funny. They get even funnier when you finally figure out what the joke is referencing! Absolutely brilliant writing.
I think Dr. Phil will be an obscure figure years from now for sure, but not Bill Gates. I mean, it's the same as if Howard Hughes had ever been in an an episode of "I Love Lucy". People are gonna know who Bill Gates is many many years from now.
Kind of like we all know the name Rockefeller, or even the name "Medici" and equate it with rich italians over five hundred years later....
Yeah, I don't know who Bob Crane is. So I didn't really get it... at all. I thought it was a Bob joke or something... oh well. Very Happy
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