Patrick wrote:In Cheerful Goodbyes, they all remember the snipe hunt, although they didn't remember the part that we didn't see which is understandable since it was the part humiliating to them, that is when Frasier got the last laugh by stranding them all in the middle of the woods while he drove back to prepare an omelet for Diane, that was before Diane left him mercilessly at the altar of course. I like that they strived to be consistent between the two shows.
Whisper of cinnamon wrote:Patrick wrote:In Cheerful Goodbyes, they all remember the snipe hunt, although they didn't remember the part that we didn't see which is understandable since it was the part humiliating to them, that is when Frasier got the last laugh by stranding them all in the middle of the woods while he drove back to prepare an omelet for Diane, that was before Diane left him mercilessly at the altar of course. I like that they strived to be consistent between the two shows.
Yes, this is a nice call back for Cheers fans! Another one is the dialogue between Frasier and Julia in The Harassed when Frasier says in the middle of an argument 'Are you as turned on as I am?', which is exactly what Sam said to Diane in the middle of an argument in Showdown - Part 2! Another nice touch is that The Harassed aired in 2003, 20 years after Showdown in 1983, and in The Harassed Bulldog says that no one has used the phrase 'turned on' in 20 years! A line to make Cheers fans smile!
Patrick wrote:You don't think Frasier did it on purpose just to frighten his little brother, don't you?
Whisper of cinnamon wrote:There's been lots of talk recently about continuity errors on Frasier, but what about examples of excellent continuity on Frasier?
Here's 3 that I've always enjoyed:
I love the fact that the guy who comes to take Martin's chair in the final episode is the same guy who brought it in in episode 1!
I love the fact that in The New Friend, Niles describes Luke as 'your much-ballyhooed new best friend', a nice bit of continuity with The Friend from S3, where Niles similarly described Bob as 'much-ballyhooed' (a wonderful Niles-ian phrase!). It's one of those things that's going to go over the head of the casual viewer, and indeed most viewers unless you've seen the episodes lots of times. It's a nice little in-joke for the Frasier fans and I appreciate the writers for putting that in there. It makes me smile every time.
I love the continuity of the fact that the issues discussed in S9's Don Juan in Hell, where Frasier realises why he fails with women - fear of rejection so he finds a way to sabotage it - are brought up again in S11's A Man, A Plan... This time, Frasier tries hard not to sabotage it when, really, this time, he should! Watching him try to contain himself is hilarious: 'Gone are the days when I would have said something like "How Rude"!
So, are there any other nice pieces of continuity in the show that people like?
frasier floyd wrote:...
Speaking of Niles' funny phrases, I've noticed that he uses "pretentious fop" a few times. The first time I noticed it was when Daphne brought home a Niles doppelganger (so it's funny that he's almost saying this about himself) but he says it about someone else too! It's a funny phrase so I was happy to catch that.
frasier floyd wrote:Ah, I'm glad to hear his nosebleeds reappeared later in the show! It's been a while since I've seen the last few seasons. I thought it was another one of those things that's mentioned once but forgotten, like Niles hiding under the piano when he gets overwhelmed. Those are funny types of character quirks. Though, in praise of continuity, Niles did dust a few dozen chairs throughout the show! I'm glad that quirk was continued throughout the show (though it may have dwindled in the later seasons as Niles' character evened out a little).
frasier floyd wrote: Speaking of Niles' funny phrases, I've noticed that he uses "pretentious fop" a few times. The first time I noticed it was when Daphne brought home a Niles doppelganger (so it's funny that he's almost saying this about himself) but he says it about someone else too! It's a funny phrase so I was happy to catch that.
Patrick wrote:Sam: By the way Woody, you remember when Frasier told us that his Father was dead and a scientist?
Woody: Oh Yeah, I remember that... sort of.
Sam: well, turns out he was lying, he's a retired cop and got shot in the hip.
Woody; Wow! And all this time I thought he was a psychiatrist, even when he was sweeping the floor.
Sam: No Woody, I mean his father.
Woody: You're wrong Sam, that's Frasier that was sweeping the floor not his father.
Sam: Never mind woody... (sigh)
PistolPoet wrote:I like the fact that they gave Daphne's brother Billy, the ballroom dancer, a personality long before we actually saw any of the Moon brothers. Daphne mentions him in at least two episodes, and both times it explains parts of her personality nicely: in Daphne's Room, when she says how all her brothers peeked at her in the shower apart from him, and in Moon Dance to explain why she's such a good dancer.
Whisper of cinnamon wrote:Oh yes, this is a good one. I wouldn't imagine that they knew they were going to do an episode with Daphne ballroom dancing when they wrote that Billy did it, so it was a very nice bit of continuity to think of calling that back in Moon Dance. They also kept up the continuity with Daphne's parents in that before we ever see Daphne's mum, we get an idea of her personality - lowering Daphne's self-esteem by putting her down (see Dr Nora), guilt-tripping Daphne so she can get her way (see Father Of The Bride), and when we finally meet her, these qualities are very much in evidence - the put-downs - 'she does what she can with what God gave her' she says, or something like that, at one point, and she also guilt trips Daphne into letting her stay by faking injury (in fact, she does a lot of guilt tripping at other points too). They kept her personality very consistent with what we already knew.
Similarly, Daphne talks a number of times over the years about her dad spending a lot of time at the pub - there's that story where she talks about him being out at the pub and then when he came back they couldn't argue because of his headaches, which she viewed as his 'way of keeping the family together'! And in Love Stinks we find out that Daphne drew a picture as a child of her dad crawling home from the pub, which Niles thought was a picture of a turtle! And the story she tells Niles in The Bad Son also features her dad coming home from the pub, I believe. And then when we finally come to meet him in S9, sure enough, he is not only in a pub, he works there! (Albeit in a rather strange capacity!)
PistolPoet wrote:Yup! And well done for all those examples . I'm really glad they got very good actors to play Daphne's parents as well, because it's not easy to live up to seasons of their caricatured representations. Imagine if they'd gone for someone with a fake accent like Clive .
Whisper of cinnamon wrote:PistolPoet wrote:Yup! And well done for all those examples . I'm really glad they got very good actors to play Daphne's parents as well, because it's not easy to live up to seasons of their caricatured representations. Imagine if they'd gone for someone with a fake accent like Clive .
Yes, I actually think both Millicent Martin and Brian Cox do a very good job with the roles. The fact that I sometimes find Gertrude incredibly annoying is not the fault of Martin, but of the character she is playing!
You could argue that it might have been better to keep Daphne's parents as unseen characters, like Maris and Grammy Moon, but you can't really go 11 seasons with five main characters and not meet their parents (if they're alive, that is)! We never saw Roz's dad, though, did we?
Roverman wrote:But had Roz's mum seen Frasier in Guilt Trippers she would have immediately confirmed that he was Frasier and not Roger!
frasier floyd wrote:Ah, I'm glad to hear his nosebleeds reappeared later in the show! It's been a while since I've seen the last few seasons. I thought it was another one of those things that's mentioned once but forgotten, like Niles hiding under the piano when he gets overwhelmed. Those are funny types of character quirks. Though, in praise of continuity, Niles did dust a few dozen chairs throughout the show! I'm glad that quirk was continued throughout the show (though it may have dwindled in the later seasons as Niles' character evened out a little).
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