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Postby chrisj » Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:07 pm

I think the "Bob" reference to me was aimed at the name itself. Like in the episode where Frasier's friend is named Bob. Spelled the same way, forwards and back. Not to disrespect any "Bobs" out there, but for some reason it's not a name people like much. Niles even says Frasier's friends name as "Bob?" I personally doubt whether there was any reference to Bob Crane, although I'm 51 and well remember Hogan's Heroes. This is all IMHO however.

On the fashion thing, it was interesting for me to note that in the first season Frasier dressed a lot like he had in Cheers, with those ridiculous sweater vests, plus the Bozo hair too.

Just my two cents. :wink:
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Postby CatNamedRudy » Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:15 pm

chrisj wrote:I think the "Bob" reference to me was aimed at the name itself. Like in the episode where Frasier's friend is named Bob. Spelled the same way, forwards and back. Not to disrespect any "Bobs" out there, but for some reason it's not a name people like much. Niles even says Frasier's friends name as "Bob?" I personally doubt whether there was any reference to Bob Crane, although I'm 51 and well remember Hogan's Heroes. This is all IMHO however.

On the fashion thing, it was interesting for me to note that in the first season Frasier dressed a lot like he had in Cheers, with those ridiculous sweater vests, plus the Bozo hair too.

Just my two cents. :wink:


Oh no, it was definitely Niles thinking BOB CRANE? No way! It was a direct reference to Bob Crane and his rather questionable death! (or his rather questionable life!) :wink:

Totally agree with the fashion thing. Kelsey's Bozo hair in those first two seasons makes me nuts!

51 huh? Now I'm not the oldest one on the board anymore! :lol:
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Postby chrisj » Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:20 pm

Yep, 51 alright. I guess I should read up on old Bob Crane's bio to see why he gave Bobs all over such a bad name! I remember when he was murdered. Wasn't he stabbed outside his front door or something? Anyway, that part seemed unremarkable to me. I will research that though.

Honestly, when I saw Niles erasing the name Bob Crane, I thought it was just his aversion to the name Bob, as he had expressed displeasure at it previously.
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Postby CatNamedRudy » Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:25 pm

chrisj wrote:Yep, 51 alright. I guess I should read up on old Bob Crane's bio to see why he gave Bobs all over such a bad name! I remember when he was murdered. Wasn't he stabbed outside his front door or something? Anyway, that part seemed unremarkable to me. I will research that though.

Honestly, when I saw Niles erasing the name Bob Crane, I thought it was just his aversion to the name Bob, as he had expressed displeasure at it previously.


Bob Crane was murdered in some weird sado-masochistic sex triangle! It was all very strange. A lot of it was covered up and swept under the rug but for some reason I'm thinking when he was found he was in some leather and chain kinky stuff. At least that was the rumor at the time. Whether or not that was true, I don't know but it's what was commonly thought of.
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Postby White Rabbit » Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:28 pm

I thought Bob Crane was 'bobcrane'. Only today did I found it out it was not a bird species reference...
So you see, even though I didn't 'get' it, it was still funny!
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Postby chrisj » Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:31 pm

Hmmm...I really got my story wrong then. Got it...kinda...

Crane was discovered violently bludgeoned to death with a weapon that was never found but believed to be a camera tripod at the Winfield Place Apartments in Scottsdale, Arizona, where he had been appearing in a dinner theatre production of a play entitled Beginner's Luck at the Windmill Dinner Theatre.
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Postby Hector » Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:02 pm

Friends seem dated now due to their always 'up to the minute' fashion sense and appartment decorations, but Frasier on the other hand always has fairly classical designs and old school smart suits. The facre and wit type humor is fairly old fashioned aswell, that is why I think it is failry timeless.
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Postby lramria » Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:27 am

Frasier is timeless. Everyone else has hit it on the head. Frasier's dress was classic, along with Niles. Everyone has a father, uncle or grandfather that sits in flannel shirts and white socks like Martin. I would say that Daphne and Roz's hairstyles are a bit in the past, but they are so beautiful you don't really notice.

The humor is always going to be there no matter what. Hell, I still watch the Golden Girls and I laugh at that old show.
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Re: Frasier is soooo 90's

Postby eyre » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:00 am

Perhaps the lighting and fashion (and those huge cell phones!) looks dated, but I think because "Frasier" writers avoided decade-specific pop culture references as a general rule, that the show will always be relevant and timeless.
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Re: Frasier is soooo 90's

Postby DHPfan » Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:29 pm

The jokes will always be appreciated for a long time, everything I can think about the show is also timeless! Frasier's apartment was decorated in such a timeless way! It'll always be considered somewhat 'modern'. Same applies for Niles' apartment and house, and basically all the settings are modern.
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Re: Frasier is soooo 90's

Postby tenpercenter » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:00 am

90's rocked, so yeah im glad it is!
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Re: Frasier is soooo 90's

Postby Forever Jung » Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:27 pm

:twisted: Laurel & Hardy looks dated (anyone seen a Model T lately?) but it doesn't stop it from being funny as hell.

Frasier might look dated over the years, but it's certainly not the fault of anyone on the show.It's the fate of all shows set in the real world.

Another thought that comes to me, most shows are made for the here and now with no thoughts of immortality. As far as anyone knows at the time, the show will stink and die on it's arse, or drop in quality and every season could be the last.
It might seem mercenary, but I feel like there is less an attempt to make a timeless work or art and more of "let's make a funny show that we can sell to the TV so we can get paid". So there is no consideration about how dated the show will look in 20 years, and no solution to the problem if it occurs to somebody :lol:
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Re: Frasier is soooo 90's

Postby Lil » Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:59 am

Forever Jung wrote:Laurel & Hardy looks dated (anyone seen a Model T lately?) but it doesn't stop it from being funny as hell.


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Re: Frasier is soooo 90's

Postby sharkhunter » Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:22 pm

This thread drove me to post for the time in over 4 years... absolutely 100% not dated at all.

One of the more brilliant aspects of Frasier was that it never tried achieve a trendy factor, ("Friends") nor did it ever dabble in political humor ("Murphy Brown").
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Re: Frasier is soooo 90's

Postby mickeba » Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:01 pm

It's very 90's and in a really good way, but I think people have forgotten how really superb Frasier was. Shows like "Big Bang Theory" and "Two and a half men" have gotten big the last few years, and they have their audience no doubt. Nothing has been on tv comedically that matches up to "Frasier", yet people (not us) have forgotten. I don't think they syndicated it well, putting it on Lifetime. LIfetime is known for spousal abuse of the week/disease of the week movies, and I think placing "Frasier" there has limited the ability to build a new audience.
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Re: Frasier is soooo 90's

Postby sharkhunter » Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:56 pm

I disagree, Friends is very 90's in a very good way, but I don't see Frasier as being viewed as a nostalgic piece selective to a certain decade.

I don't see people watching Friends 10 or 20 years other than the people who grew up on it.

Regardless, In the same vein of Lifetime it's oddly can be found on WE.
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Re: Frasier is soooo 90's

Postby CatNamedRudy » Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:05 pm

sharkhunter wrote:I disagree, Friends is very 90's in a very good way, but I don't see Frasier as being viewed as a nostalgic piece selective to a certain decade.

I don't see people watching Friends 10 or 20 years other than the people who grew up on it.

Regardless, In the same vein of Lifetime it's oddly can be found on WE.



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Re: Frasier is soooo 90's

Postby Moon-Crane » Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:15 pm

Frasier, Friends and Seinfeld (to take the channels big hitters of the time as a whole) will all be watched by new audiences in the future. i can't see anything that dates Friends any more than Frasier. They all obviously have a 90s feel but are all relatable to any era, and easily well enough written, to watch whenever.
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Re: Frasier is soooo 90's

Postby mickeba » Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:44 am

I don't think Friends stands the test of time at all. It was popular, but I don't think it's classic tv whatsoever. It was pop culture fluff in the day, it always will be.
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Re: Frasier is soooo 90's

Postby Allison Chains » Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:37 am

tenpercenter wrote:90's rocked, so yeah im glad it is!


I agree :) I'm a Gen Xer so the 90's were my hayday! I have settled down now and have a family and a professional job but I'm still the girl that loves Grunge, Steve Jobs, Bill Clinton, Seinfeld and Frasier ;)
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Re: Frasier is soooo 90's

Postby Moon-Crane » Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:51 pm

mickeba wrote:I don't think Friends stands the test of time at all. It was popular, but I don't think it's classic tv whatsoever. It was pop culture fluff in the day, it always will be.


I'd tend to disagree there. Granted, i obviously prefer Frasier -- but good writing is good writing, whatever the context. Fair enough not to personally like the show, but the best episodes of Friends are, imo, up there with the best of any other comedy show and it'll easily stand the test of time (as much as any show can as the decades pass). NBC will have an income from the rights to each of their big three 90s comedies for a while to come.

I think to call it pop culture fluff is dismissing some excellent writing for a show that was regularly amongst the awards nominations.

Mind, i feel the same about Everybody Loves Raymond as you do about Friends, so i struggle to appreciate its writing, longevity and awards. I'm not a fan, but i can see it having a fanbase for many years.
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Re: Frasier is soooo 90's

Postby welshben23 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:00 pm

Moon-Crane wrote:
mickeba wrote:I don't think Friends stands the test of time at all. It was popular, but I don't think it's classic tv whatsoever. It was pop culture fluff in the day, it always will be.


I'd tend to disagree there. Granted, i obviously prefer Frasier -- but good writing is good writing, whatever the context. Fair enough not to personally like the show, but the best episodes of Friends are, imo, up there with the best of any other comedy show and it'll easily stand the test of time (as much as any show can as the decades pass). NBC will have an income from the rights to each of their big three 90s comedies for a while to come.

I think to call it pop culture fluff is dismissing some excellent writing for a show that was regularly amongst the awards nominations.

Mind, i feel the same about Everybody Loves Raymond as you do about Friends, so i struggle to appreciate its writing, longevity and awards. I'm not a fan, but i can see it having a fanbase for many years.


Post of the year so far. :lol: I agree with everything you say. Especially the last couple of sentences. :P
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Re: Frasier is soooo 90's

Postby CatNamedRudy » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:05 pm

Totally agree MC! Though I like Everybody Loves Raymond too.
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Re: Frasier is soooo 90's

Postby Moon-Crane » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:51 pm

welshben23 wrote:I agree with everything you say. Especially the last couple of sentences. :P


Heh, i remember our shared dislike. Do you ever try watching Raymond again? I'll occasionally watch episodes on Comedy Central, but i just can't get into it. I don't even mind Ray Romano, but the aggravating mother is just a little too aggravating for me to enjoy. For me it's like watching Frasier if Daphne's mother had been in every episode as a regular from the beginning :lol:
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Re: Frasier is soooo 90's

Postby welshben23 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:01 pm

Moon-Crane wrote:
welshben23 wrote:I agree with everything you say. Especially the last couple of sentences. :P


Heh, i remember our shared dislike. Do you ever try watching Raymond again? I'll occasionally watch episodes on Comedy Central, but i just can't get into it. I don't even mind Ray Romano, but the aggravating mother is just a little too aggravating for me to enjoy. For me it's like watching Frasier if Daphne's mother had been in every episode as a regular from the beginning :lol:


:) If the episode features Frank or Robert a lot then I occasionally watch it as I do find both of them genuinely funny. But like you I can't get into it. I must be the only person that didn't really mind Daphne's mother :D I'd rather watch every episode that she appeared in on a 24-hour loop than watch an episode of Raymond that is 'Marie centric'.
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