chrisj wrote:I think the "Bob" reference to me was aimed at the name itself. Like in the episode where Frasier's friend is named Bob. Spelled the same way, forwards and back. Not to disrespect any "Bobs" out there, but for some reason it's not a name people like much. Niles even says Frasier's friends name as "Bob?" I personally doubt whether there was any reference to Bob Crane, although I'm 51 and well remember Hogan's Heroes. This is all IMHO however.
On the fashion thing, it was interesting for me to note that in the first season Frasier dressed a lot like he had in Cheers, with those ridiculous sweater vests, plus the Bozo hair too.
Just my two cents.
chrisj wrote:Yep, 51 alright. I guess I should read up on old Bob Crane's bio to see why he gave Bobs all over such a bad name! I remember when he was murdered. Wasn't he stabbed outside his front door or something? Anyway, that part seemed unremarkable to me. I will research that though.
Honestly, when I saw Niles erasing the name Bob Crane, I thought it was just his aversion to the name Bob, as he had expressed displeasure at it previously.
Crane was discovered violently bludgeoned to death with a weapon that was never found but believed to be a camera tripod at the Winfield Place Apartments in Scottsdale, Arizona, where he had been appearing in a dinner theatre production of a play entitled Beginner's Luck at the Windmill Dinner Theatre.
sharkhunter wrote:I disagree, Friends is very 90's in a very good way, but I don't see Frasier as being viewed as a nostalgic piece selective to a certain decade.
I don't see people watching Friends 10 or 20 years other than the people who grew up on it.
Regardless, In the same vein of Lifetime it's oddly can be found on WE.
tenpercenter wrote:90's rocked, so yeah im glad it is!
mickeba wrote:I don't think Friends stands the test of time at all. It was popular, but I don't think it's classic tv whatsoever. It was pop culture fluff in the day, it always will be.
Moon-Crane wrote:mickeba wrote:I don't think Friends stands the test of time at all. It was popular, but I don't think it's classic tv whatsoever. It was pop culture fluff in the day, it always will be.
I'd tend to disagree there. Granted, i obviously prefer Frasier -- but good writing is good writing, whatever the context. Fair enough not to personally like the show, but the best episodes of Friends are, imo, up there with the best of any other comedy show and it'll easily stand the test of time (as much as any show can as the decades pass). NBC will have an income from the rights to each of their big three 90s comedies for a while to come.
I think to call it pop culture fluff is dismissing some excellent writing for a show that was regularly amongst the awards nominations.
Mind, i feel the same about Everybody Loves Raymond as you do about Friends, so i struggle to appreciate its writing, longevity and awards. I'm not a fan, but i can see it having a fanbase for many years.
welshben23 wrote:I agree with everything you say. Especially the last couple of sentences.
Moon-Crane wrote:welshben23 wrote:I agree with everything you say. Especially the last couple of sentences.
Heh, i remember our shared dislike. Do you ever try watching Raymond again? I'll occasionally watch episodes on Comedy Central, but i just can't get into it. I don't even mind Ray Romano, but the aggravating mother is just a little too aggravating for me to enjoy. For me it's like watching Frasier if Daphne's mother had been in every episode as a regular from the beginning
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