Leander wrote:CatnamedRudy
Ah so that is what John Mahoney sounds like to an American? I suppose I do notice the Chicago bit.
By the way Anthony LaPaglia's accent sounds terrible in Frasier. It is totally wrong for being Daphne's brother unless they both were separated at birth and he was brought up in the east end of London spending his holiday's in Australia. Daphne was brought up in Manchester and is fairly authentic for Manchester as far as I can tell, though someone from Manchester might argue the point - a little bit Lancastrian maybe?
Leander
wlan2nd wrote:her early accent, although not a superb rendition of "mancunian" is a fairly good attempt, well as far as im concerned anyway, maybe we have someone from Manchester on here who can clear this up.
I agree with you about ALaP, he sounds like an eastender not her macnhester brother,
and what about Robbie Coltraine, whos from Scotland, why do they have him speaking gibberish, I know the writers are trying for the whole "goofy family from hell" thing, but the either took it too far, or, in my opinion, got lazy
most Americans either wouldn't know or couldn't care less if a regional UK accent was slightly off.
Moon-Crane wrote:I don't give a rat's ass either
I might laugh at accents like Clive's mary poppins one, but it doesn't really bother me or affect my view of an episode. Anyway, if i was an actor and had to use my own accent to represent my home town, it's likely people from my home town would say that's a crappy attempt at a fake accent
wlan2nd wrote:Moon-Crane wrote:I don't give a rat's ass either
I might laugh at accents like Clive's mary poppins one, but it doesn't really bother me or affect my view of an episode. Anyway, if i was an actor and had to use my own accent to represent my home town, it's likely people from my home town would say that's a crappy attempt at a fake accent
bang on with that one, this thread proves though that Brits really do care about how their dialects are represented, i kinda guessed that Americans don't care how their regional dialects are on TV, but do they care how non-americans do the accent? just curious
jrsightes wrote:I've always found it odd that such a small island can have so many accents crammed into such a tight space. We only have a few accents, and like Cat said, they're regional. There's some small variations within each region (New York vs. Boston; Charleston vs. the deep South), but you've got to be pretty familiar with the accents to pick them out.
I can't understand why Brits expect an American show to satisfy the differences between accents within a particular city, which are nitpicky at best, when to most Americans, British people just sound "British," or at the very most, "English" or "Scottish." Only those who spend a lot of time around British people or watching British television are going to notice that there are significant differences among the accents. It took me a long time to even notice that there were differences, and to this day I couldn't identify a single one of the accents by location.
wlan2nd wrote:jrsightes wrote:I've always found it odd that such a small island can have so many accents crammed into such a tight space. We only have a few accents, and like Cat said, they're regional. There's some small variations within each region (New York vs. Boston; Charleston vs. the deep South), but you've got to be pretty familiar with the accents to pick them out.
I can't understand why Brits expect an American show to satisfy the differences between accents within a particular city, which are nitpicky at best, when to most Americans, British people just sound "British," or at the very most, "English" or "Scottish." Only those who spend a lot of time around British people or watching British television are going to notice that there are significant differences among the accents. It took me a long time to even notice that there were differences, and to this day I couldn't identify a single one of the accents by location.
i suppose the only real faux pas that any American, or other non-Brit can commit, is to call us (the Scottish), English, if you really want to piss off a Scot is to do this, we are a tiny country, but very very proud and patriotic and to call a Scot "English" doesn't go down well
I think JR's point was, why should Americans, and the makers of American TV shows care about upsetting English or Scottish people? I think it's a fair point. As M-C mentioned earlier, I tend to laugh when I hear a poor accent but it doesn't tend to ruin anything for me, and I'm aware these are American shows aimed at a US audience who couldn't give a shiny shite what we sound like.]
CatNamedRudy wrote:The only time it bugs me for whatever reason if when a Canadian is portraying an American and they don't try to cover their Canadianese! I can pick out a Canadian accent a mile away and it bugs me when they don't try to correct it.
CatNamedRudy wrote:It's funny this accent thing came up here because there's one going on over on the IMDb Mad Men board right now too. It seems the French Canadians on that board have a real issue with Megan's "French". They are upset because she's supposed to be from Montreal (and the actress who plays her is in fact from Montreal) but she speaks French with a "French" accent instead of a French Canadian accent. All I can hear is somebody speaking French!
Mr Blue Sky wrote:CatNamedRudy wrote:It's funny this accent thing came up here because there's one going on over on the IMDb Mad Men board right now too. It seems the French Canadians on that board have a real issue with Megan's "French". They are upset because she's supposed to be from Montreal (and the actress who plays her is in fact from Montreal) but she speaks French with a "French" accent instead of a French Canadian accent. All I can hear is somebody speaking French!
Damn pedants!
Mr Blue Sky wrote:wlan2nd wrote:jrsightes wrote:I've always found it odd that such a small island can have so many accents crammed into such a tight space. We only have a few accents, and like Cat said, they're regional. There's some small variations within each region (New York vs. Boston; Charleston vs. the deep South), but you've got to be pretty familiar with the accents to pick them out.
I can't understand why Brits expect an American show to satisfy the differences between accents within a particular city, which are nitpicky at best, when to most Americans, British people just sound "British," or at the very most, "English" or "Scottish." Only those who spend a lot of time around British people or watching British television are going to notice that there are significant differences among the accents. It took me a long time to even notice that there were differences, and to this day I couldn't identify a single one of the accents by location.
i suppose the only real faux pas that any American, or other non-Brit can commit, is to call us (the Scottish), English, if you really want to piss off a Scot is to do this, we are a tiny country, but very very proud and patriotic and to call a Scot "English" doesn't go down well
I think JR's point was, why should Americans, and the makers of American TV shows care about upsetting English or Scottish people? I think it's a fair point. As M-C mentioned earlier, I tend to laugh when I hear a poor accent but it doesn't tend to ruin anything for me, and I'm aware these are American shows aimed at a US audience who couldn't give a shiny shite what we sound like.
Moon-Crane wrote:I doubt i could tell much difference between Canadians and Americans speaking, much like i can't tell too much difference between Australian and New Zealand accents. You're probably only going to notice the differences when you're used to hearing it day to day.
jrsightes wrote:Moon-Crane wrote:I doubt i could tell much difference between Canadians and Americans speaking, much like i can't tell too much difference between Australian and New Zealand accents. You're probably only going to notice the differences when you're used to hearing it day to day.
Well, there again, I think it's regional. We get many Canadians as guests at the hotel where I work, and some of them have a distinct "Canadian" accent, but with most of them, I can have an entire conversation with them and have no idea they're Canadian until they hand over their driver's license. Granted, most of the Canadians we get at the hotel (which is in southern Michigan) are from southeastern Ontario, between Detroit, Michigan and Buffalo, New York, so that might affect their accents.
her (Jane Leeves) accent would've changed in real life the longer she stayed in the US
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