Kittysafe wrote:I love this show, but really don't like the Frasier character. Pompous, conceited, constant yelling and/or temper tantrums.
Jealousy snits. I have received some flack for this, but others agree with me. who shows nearly no self awareness who is so full of himself he gives in to every desire
and pomposity he can muster, he also treats everyone around him terribly, he treats Daphne like a sub human, and is generally unlikable on
almost every level.
How this man went graduated medical school, became a psychiatrist then got a radio show is beyond me.
He's almost Rush Limbough in his hypocritical pomposity.
Dorset Girl wrote:ck_psy wrote:umm.. the biggest thing would be..
Bob Bulldog Briscoe..
especially his 'SOMEBODY STOLE MY [item] THIS STINKS THIS IS TOTAL BS!! ' oh here it is'
it was funny ONCE, and then it just got old for the however many times he said it again
I could see why that would be annoying, but personally I quite like Bulldog. I love the way he gets into a complete rage about something, then finds that he was mistaken, calms down straight away and just carries on as if nothing's happened.
If we're talking about annoying characters, then Gil is the one I'd pick, without a doubt! Just everything about him... every word he says winds me up, the way he speaks, too. Bleurgh.
frasier floyd wrote:What a great topic! I love this show but I could also pick it apart. The single most irritating thing about this show is part of Frasier's character. He thinks of himself as a crusader for morality and ethics, never missing an opportunity to let people know when they've erred, yet commits these same errors-and worse!- on a regular basis. I know this is pretty common behavior, but Frasier seems to be pathologically hypocritical and unaware of this! I know his hypocritical nature is a foundation for his character/the show- it's part of the entire show's description on Netflix- but it drives me crazy sometimes! Don't get me wrong, I love him for making me laugh so much, but I do sometimes have a love/hate relationship with him.
anniemarriott wrote:Daphne's family.
The mismatched accents of the brothers. Why do they all have cockney accents, while Daphne and her mother are both Manchester? The writers of Frasier are obviously fairly clued up about the UK which makes this anomaly quite bizarre.
Her mother. She was obviously intended to be an irritating character. But I never warmed to her as I did with Bulldog. Millicent Martin's comedy timing didn't match that of the rest of the cast either.
frasier floyd wrote:Tyler- I have to say I never realized how often homophobia is expressed on the show.
freewill wrote:frasier floyd wrote:Tyler- I have to say I never realized how often homophobia is expressed on the show.
I'm not sure I'd call it homophobia. The only time a joke is made at the expense of someone who's gay or perceived to be gay, are instances when they themselves are trying to pass themselves off as straight (or are actually straight, in Barry's case.) With regard to Barry, Frasier felt it was his duty as Roz's friend, to tell her if Barry's not being honest with her about who he is. With Gil, a lot of the jokes originate from the fact that he insists he's happily married (to a woman) despite his effeminate qualities. When you consider any of the "out" gay characters who have appeared on the show, from Tom, to Edward, to Alistair, none of the jokes have come at the expense of the character; instead the jokes come more from the absurdity of the situation.
Besides, one of the biggest examples of how un-homophobic (Is that a word? Never mind, it is now.) the show is, is the episode "Daphne Does Dinner". Two of the guests at their dinner party, Thad and Jeremy, are presumably a gay (and interracial!) couple. There's no plot-related reason that they have to be a gay couple, they just are, and no special attention is drawn to it.
Patrick wrote:OK, while we're on the subject. The one thing that I find especially grating in that episode is that when Frasier enters the bar and says I am looking for a man, the man who responds says "yeah, I got that from the shorts." or something like that.
How about he gets that from the fact that they are in a gay bar? A homophobic joke in a gay bar that has to be one for the books!
It's also idiotic that Alistair would have considered that Frasier and him were an item WITHOUT ASKING! I mean, I wouldn't certainly not make that kind of assumption about a woman I was attracted to, so why would a man about another man? It happened often enough that I was disappointed when I thought that there was something going that I would certainly not run the risk of looking like an idiot in front of everyone. Alistair sounds like a very intelligent man so why would he take that stupid risk?
Besides the only way the whole episode can even be construed as funny is if you think that there is something shameless or degrading to be considered gay by mistake, years from now people will watch this episode and say "Look how bigoted they were back then."
Eddie2012 wrote:...It shouldn’t matter to a man who pretended to be gay himself once ).
Patrick wrote:Eddie2012 wrote:...It shouldn’t matter to a man who pretended to be gay himself once ).
Yes, I always thought that that part was a bit shortsighted on both parts, Frasier's and Martin's. I mean what if he had fallen in love with that woman and ended up marrying her. That would have meant either that Martin would have had to pretend to be gay for the rest of his life while in the presence of his daughter in law or her family or that Frasier would have had to have a talk with her like : " You know my father is not really gay, he just pretended to, so that I could bag you."
See what I mean?
frasier floyd wrote:...In America, it is stereotypically the fathers who have the greatest issue with acknowledging and accepting their kids as gay or lesbian, so to me, Martin's general disapproval and distaste for their "la-dee-da" lifestyles reflects this prevalent attitude. I think his relationship with his boys is a reflection of homophobia, even if it's to a minor degree. (To his credit, Martin doesn't seem to be homophobic in general: rather, he seemed to only feel this way toward his sons.) This doesn't mean to imply that the writers or the show in general are homophobic, but that the homophobic attitudes were acknowledged and included in the show in order to realistically portray these kinds of characters in society.
Patrick wrote:That's what I mean when I say that the show is sprinkled with homophobic slights even if they are slight slights.
Eddie2012 wrote:...And Martin is an ambiguous character in that respect. In Out with Dad and The Impossible Dream he could not be more different.
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