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Forgotten But Not Gone
Episode Details

Written by: David Lloyd

Directed by: Pamela Fryman

Original US airdate: 17th April 2001

Original UK airdate: 4th May 2001


Cast Information
Main Cast
Frasier Crane .... Kelsey Grammer
Niles Crane .... David Hyde Pierce
Martin Crane .... John Mahoney
Daphne Moon .... Jane Leeves
Roz Doyle .... Peri Gilpin
Recurring Cast
Kenny Daly .... Tom McGowan
Gil Chesterton .... Edward Hibbert
   
   
Guest Cast
Frederika .... Jennifer Coolidge
Endicott .... Charles Cioffi
Lance .... David Norona
Reynolds .... Jonathan McMurtry
Virgil Hepplewhite .... Richard Stretchberry
Guest Callers

Episode Synopsis

At the inauguration of Niles as the Wine Club's Corkmaster (for a second year), Frasier arrives with his own news. He is resigning from the wine club to host a 15 minute wine appreciation slot on KACL. He invites all the members to call in and provoke some of the fascinating discussions they have live on the radio. Gil Chesterton, whose show is losing 15 minutes for Frasier's slot, is none too happy about it, and Frasier himself is none too happy that his first show is such a disappointment. None of the wine club members call in, and those that do seem to lack the intellectual qualities Frasier seeks for a wine appreciation show. However, Frasier's diappointment turns to anger when one of the wine club members tells him that Niles has banned them from calling into his show, provoking Frasier into going down to the club to try and convince Niles to change his mind - but Niles is having none of it. Forced to spend Wednesday nights at home with Martion, his father sees his son's depression and drags Frasier down to the wine club to force his two sons to 'play nicely'......Meanwhile, Martin grapples with his new German physiotherapist who cooks fabulously but seems to be an ex-army drill sergeant.

Episode Title Cards
  • Oenology For Dummies

  • Whine Club

Episode Highlights

- Niles praises his brother when giving his corkmaster re-election speech:
Niles: .... the other Brother Crane, who so graciously conceded after the fourth recount.

- Kenny congratulates Frasier on his new slot:
Kenny: If you can't solve their problems with therapy, solve them with drink.
Frasier: Let's keep that out of the ads.
Kenny: Too late!

- Gil's slot about healthy food is axed to make way for Frasier's wine-appreciation slot:
Gil: Apparently health is going to take a backseat to the random musings of a radio psychiatrist on wine !!

- Gil 'congratulates' Frasier on his disasterous first show:
Gil: I'm sure everyone who was listening is hitting the bottle as we speak!

- Frasier has to spend his first Wednesday night at home after leaving the wine club:
Frasier: What do you usually do Wednesday nights?
Martin: Oh, just sit back .... enjoy the silence.

- Martin goes to see Niles to try and get Frasier back in the Wine Club:
Martin: Good God! You wear a sash!!

Frasier Online Episode Review

The Crane brother's inherent rivalry gets another airing in an episode similar to last season's 'Whine Club' ( so much so, in fact, that one one of the on screen subtitles is actually 'Whine Club'). However, as in that episode, the bunch of eccentrics that make up the club feel stereotyped and one-dimensional, while the conclusion where Martin forces Frasier and Niles to make up is not exactly new. I also found Martin's 'German' (yeah, right) physiotherapist to be an awful creation - a comedy cliche that just doesn't work in this episode. The episode is however lifted by the reappearance of Gil Chesterton, who isn't happy about having some of his show stolen by Frasier, and his interplay with his new producer: a camp creation by the name of Lance. Their scenes together made me laugh more than the rest of the episode. All told, then, this is another run-of-the-mill Season 8 episode, which is all the more disappointing given that it came from David Lloyd, the creator of such fantastic episodes like 'Ham Radio', and that it's the last episode he ever wrote for the show.

Rating

71 %

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Raise your glasses in memory of David Lloyd, Apr 23, 2009

Reviewer: David Sim from Skelmersdale, Lancashire


Forgotten But Not Gone is a sad day for Frasier fans everywhere. Because its the final episode written by David Lloyd, one of the show's finest writers. He would stay on as creative consultant, but he never again wrote for the show. In fact he hasn't written anything since. He seems to have chosen this script as his swansong.

Its all the more disappointing then that its nowhere near as good as it should be. A flat, forgettable episode. And in no way remarkable. Its sad that David Lloyd chose to end his tenure on the show in the way he began it.

For all his later success, I've always felt that David Lloyd's initial scripts for Frasier were rather bland and run-of-the-mill. It wasn't until his third script, The Innkeepers, that Lloyd found his stride. And he never lost it (until now that is). After that, the quality of his scripts rose considerably. He produced many highly regarded episodes. The Innkeepers, Ham Radio and The Maris Counsellor are all widely considered to be Frasier classics.

What a shame that the flair and energy that Lloyd has brought to so many episodes in the past seems to have deserted him here. There's nothing outstanding to any of Forgotten But Not Gone. Its just Frasier by numbers.

There's something that seems incredibly lazy about this episode. Almost as if David Lloyd is just coasting through his duties. (Perhaps he didn't like the direction the series had taken of late, or his sons absence depressed him but it seems to have come through in his writing). Its certainly one of the weakest things he's ever written. He's just not trying hard at all. Even the title is not as original as you might think. That was a line used by Danny DeVito in Junior. Watch and listen out for it!

Contrary to popular belief, this episode didn't remind me that much of last season's Whine Club (although using that episode's title as a cue card is a glaring example of Lloyd's disinterest in this episode). That was an opportunity to get us to hate Mel that just used the wine club as an excuse. The plotline here is rather different.

Frasier has decided to resign from the wine club, and announces it on the night of Niles' inauguration as Corkmaster. He plans to host a new radio slot about wine tasting. But Niles puts a spanner in the works when he forbids any of the club members to call into it.

Its not much more than an excuse to pit Crane against Crane. Which has made many an amusing plotline in the past. But I'm afraid this isn't one of them. It just goes through the motions without ever leaving the launch pad. David Lloyd tried it in the Season 3 episode Crane vs Crane, and didn't get it quite right there either.

Ironically, the funniest thing in the episode has nothing to do with the main plot at all. The scene with Gil Chesterton is the one part of the episode where we finally see something of the sparkle David Lloyd often brings to a script. Gil is mighty miffed that Frasier's wine slot will cut into his show by 15 minutes. David Lloyd always writes Gil the best. He never fails to provide him with plenty of excellent, cutting remarks and this is no exception. After Frasier's wine slot bombs, Gil says:

"I'm sure everyone who was listening is hitting the bottle as we speak."

Gil by himself is funny enough. But as an added bonus, David Lloyd has also given us Lance, Gil's producer. A man every bit as camp as he is. They make a wonderful team. What a shame Lance vanished after this one. Never to be seen again after he went with Gil for a "boys night out." (I'll bet they did!)

Gil's appearances on Frasier became more sporadic after this point. He wouldn't resurface again until Season 10. Perhaps the writers were stumped over what to keep doing with him. With David Lloyd stepping down from his scriptwriting duties, it would fall to Joe Keenan to pen Gil's funniest moments in future.

I hate to have to get back to the main plot. So instead I'll just go to the subplot. With Daphne still away at the fat academy, Martin has hired a temporary physiotherapist. A German woman called Frederika, with an accent as fake as her breastsize. Jennifer Coolidge, a regular in Christopher Guest's movies (like John Michael Higgins in the previous episode), does tend to overplay Frederika a bit. To the point of racial caricature. But at least her scenes were lively. More lively than the main plot. Her voice grates but she keeps the attention (she used the same accent in Guest's A Mighty Wind).

The main plot winds down in an unremarkable way. Frasier wants back in the wine club. Niles refuses. So Martin goes down there and forces Niles to let his brother play. Only for them to be jeered at by the club members. Frasier & Niles both resign to start their own wine club.

What a disappointment! Both Joe Keenan and Christopher Lloyd wrote final scripts that were fitting tributes to their time on the show. David Lloyd deserved no less. A sad, anonymous sendoff for one of Frasier's finest writers.


Rating: 50%

 

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