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Our Parents, Ourselves
Episode Details

Written by: Janis Hirsch

Directed by: Pamela Fryman

Original US airdate: 21st January 1999

Original UK airdate: 26th March 1999


Cast Information
Main Cast
Frasier Crane .... Kelsey Grammer
Niles Crane .... David Hyde Pierce
Martin Crane .... John Mahoney
Daphne Moon .... Jane Leeves
Roz Doyle .... Peri Gilpin
Recurring Cast
Bonnie .... Alice Playten
   
   
Guest Cast
Joanna Doyle .... Eva Marie Saint
Shangri-lino .... Rocky McMurray
Guest Callers
Larry .... Phil Donahue
Sophie .... Marlo Thomas

Episode Synopsis

Roz's mother is in town and driving her up the wall, so Frasier suggests going on a date with Martin, to which Roz agrees. So Joanna and Roz 'bump into' Niles, Frasier and Martin at McGinty's and join them for dinner, after which Martin takes Joanna to the jazz club she was meant to be going to with Roz, who has 'forgotten' about some work she had to do with Frasier. Arriving back at the apartment some time later, the two seem to have hit it off. However, once Joanna has left, Martin says it was the dullest night of his life - she just drones on and on, but then Roz tells Frasier her mother had the best time and can't wait to see him again.

Frasier tries to fob Roz off with events that Martin is doing, like his poker night, before she leaves on Sunday. However, Roz somehow manages to get Frasier to agree to her mother coming round on Sunday when the SuperBowl is on, but Frasier decides to leave telling his father till the last minute in case he doesn't turn up. Sunday arrives, and just as there's a knock at the door, Frasier finally reveals Joanna is coming round. However, Martin has invited Bonnie from McGinty's as the first step towards a date. Frasier manages to keep Martin's dislike for Joanna under wraps until he and Bonnie go to see baby Alice in the bedroom and the truth comes out over the baby monitor. How will it all be resolved.......?

Episode Title Cards
  • A.K.A The Last Onion Out Of Pompeii
  • Roughing The Passer

Episode Highlights

- Roz miming the answer to a football question set by a caller to Frasier, a move called a Hail Mary
Then:
Roz: I'm impressed you're so good at charades.
Frasier: I'm impressed you can mime a virgin!

- At McGinty's, Bonnie doesn't recognise Niles:
Martin: Come on! I told you about my other son.
Bonnie: Of course! What was I thinking - nice to meet you Eddie.

- Martin is regaling his date with Joanna:
Martin: Do you know how many metric tons of eggs Wisconsin produces every year?
Frasier: No.
Martin: Well I do!

- After Roz and Joanna get 'invited' to Martin's to watch the SuperBowl.
Roz [to Niles]: I'll see you Sunday at your SuperBowl party.
Niles [after Roz leaves, to Frasier]: I see you told Roz the truth and she went insane (!)

- Frasier ponders when the right time to tell him about Joanna coming over is:
Frasier: Dad is first and foremost a gentleman.
[Martin comes into the Cafe]
Martin: I saw Roz and hid in case she had that gasbag of a mother with her. I guess not - everyone's still awake.

- At the SuperBowl party, in the kitchen.
Frasier: No private conversations - your dates are waiting.
Martin: They're not our dates!
Niles: We hate them!

Frasier Online Episode Review

An above average script makes this episode an enjoyable one. I particularly liked the twist at the party where Martin has invited Bonnie and Frasier has to try and keep everyone happy by saying he invited her as a date for Niles. Other good bits include learning how Niles received his nickname - 'The Coyote' - living at the Shangri-La, and Niles' reaction to discovering that Bonnie is his 'date'. It's a pity then that the episode is rather down at the end in the way Joanna learns how Martin really feels about her over the baby monitor, and a rather dull final conversation between Frasier and Roz, but for the most part I rather liked this episode.

Rating

79 %

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Avg. Viewer Review: 74.8%
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The Mamas and the Papas, Sep 29, 2011

Reviewer: David Sim from Skelmersdale, Lancashire


The opening scene made me realise how much this season was missing by diverting the show away from KACL. Frasier's life shouldn't just be about family. It needs him in the workplace to balance out the equation. And this scene is something that wouldn't have looked out of place in one of the earlier seasons.

One of Frasier's callers challenges him to answer a football question. And Roz comes to his rescue by miming the answer! Its the highlight of the episode.

The fact that the best scene comes at the beginning leaves the rest of the episode on shaky ground. Because although its great to see Frasier and Roz back at KACL, Season 6 is still not quite hitting its stride. Our Parents, Ourselves aspires to greatness, but it falls into the company of other Frasier also-rans like The Seal Who Came To Dinner and Merry Christmas, Mrs Moskowitz.

This episode is special because it marks the one and only time we meet Roz's mother, Joanna Doyle. Roz and Joanna have a bit of a strained relationship, not unlike Frasier and Martin when they first moved in together. While visiting from Wisconsin, Frasier and Roz decide to set Joanna and Martin up on a date at McGinty's.

The scene at McGinty's offers up another highlight that has nothing to do with the main plot. When sideswipes are funnier than the storyline, you know an episode is missing something. Niles is still stuck living at the Shangri-La, and a few of the boys drop into McGinty's. They have a nickname for Niles, The Coyote. And he gets it through The Six Degrees of Separation:

"From Niles, to Nilesy, to Nile E, to Nile E. Coyote, and now just The Coyote. I can't wait to see what's next." (Coyote Ugly?)

Since Martin is a retired cop and Joanna is the Attorney General of Wisconsin, you'd think they'd hit it off. But it turns into the dullest night of Martin's life. But Joanna had the greatest night of her life, and its brought her and Roz closer together. It sets up a tangled web. Roz is eager to keep Joanna and Martin together, while he can't stand the sight of her, and Frasier has to find some way of breaking it to Roz without hurting her or her mother.

Our Parents, Ourselves has all the elements of a great episode. But it falls down in the hands of the scriptwriter, Janis Hirsch. She didn't exactly make an auspicious debut with Roz, A Loan, and she hasn't improved a great deal with this one either. It may just be down to inexperience, but Hirsch lacks an aptitude for farce.

She lays the seeds for a pleasing scenario. To make things more complicated, Martin has invited Bonnie, a waitress from McGinty's he's interested in, over for the Superbowl. And then has to pretend she's going out with Niles so as not to upset Joanna, who's dropped in as well.

I'm not sure why I didn't find this funnier. When you think about it, its not much different from the sublime state of affairs of The Two Mrs Cranes, or the spiralling farce of The Matchmaker. But it pales in comparison. The tangled web of complexities fail to ignite. In the hands of say David Lloyd or Rob Greenberg, I probably would have been rolling on the floor, cracking up at the insanity. But in Janis Hirsch's hands, it never hits critical mass.

She even resorts to a corny old device that you'd think a show of Frasier's calibre would never stoop to. Joanna overhears on Alice's baby monitor Martin and Bonnie explaining to each other what's really going on. One has the sneaking suspicion that the only reason Alice was in the episode was so they could do that. (Even though Alice doesn't appear)

Hirsch hasn't learnt from any of her mistakes with Roz, A Loan. She even includes a similar scene between Frasier and Roz at the end that never raises a single laugh. I'm afraid Janis Hirsch was not cut out to be one of the writers. Something the producers seemed to realise since Hirsch only got one more writing assignment subsequent to this.

Season 6 is obviously still experiencing some fallout from Frasier's misshapen out of work storyline. We'd have to wait for Donny to appear in the latter half of the season for things to pick up properly, and give it the drive that's been missing from it so far. Not resort to pallid rehashes of far better episodes.


Rating: 54%

 

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